I also commend you for standing in the space (of a blog) of those you’re trying to hold accountable – ie. the sensationalist internet (and blogging) marketeers. Brave. And, if I’m honest, something I’d like to have had the courage to do myself some years back! I’ve had almost identical experiences with both David and with Ali. Although I’m a trained executive coach with an 8-year successful practice and I’m very much a higher-self-guided person, it’s HARD to know what’s my stuff and what to ask these leaders to be accountable for in their teaching claims.

In 2006 I attended a Ali Brown’s BluePrint for Success Workshop- cost me about £5,000 for the 4 days as I flew from UK to LA for the event (I was the only non US person so I was excited for what I could learn and take back to my market place and be ‘ahead of the curve’). Four subsequent years of asking ‘what do I need to do more of to get this stuff to work for me’, I’m still no clearer. I haven’t found the answers and have watched with interest Ali’s rise and rise (and I’m glad for her – genuinely – she has a gift, and a unique purpose which she’s clearly passionate about).

I’ve also watched thousands of entrepreneurs seek the answers I did – and from the sell-out Ali events we hear the success stories (finely edited) of the few (about 10-12) who do excel and benefit. We hear nothing from those who’s hard-earned $ are written off to ‘experience’ (must be 5,000+) because they simply haven’t the business or personal experience to use the content being offered, OR to separate what they need to be accountable for and what they’ve purchased in great faith and require the ‘teacher’ to be accountable for. I though I was the only one who had ‘fallen through the gap’, your blog is further confirmation to me that I’m amongst 10s of 1,000s.

A few years later, I attended a David Neagle ERS (promoted from Ali’s list). Again, it cost me more than most of the participants (about £5,000) as I had to fund flights from the UK to Las Vegas and a few extra nights accommodation at each end – which I was happy to do as, like you, I wanted an ‘experience of instant manifesting’.

I’d liked the simplicity of David’s universal law teaching (almost identical to Bob Proctors who I think David was mentored by for some years … and I love Bob’s material too), I liked the networking at the event and I did progress somewhat in my business during the following months and, with masses of further reading and research (not David’s), I have deepened in my universal laws understanding greatly.

Also, I DID experience the reality of manifesting at the event (woohoo!) … to the tune of $1.00 on the second night. I’d asked LOADS of strangers if they could give me $100.00 that night. I coach high performance on a daily basis so I understand something about mindset, empowering beliefs, stretching, being in your flow, the value of uncomfortable experiences and I came away glad of my awareness, glad of my confidence in asking, and glad that I’d made my $1.00 … because I then knew I wouldn’t have to stand up with the ‘non-manifestors’ the next morning. Wasn’t that an extraordinary ‘line-up-out-here-at-the-front’ process for a supposed self development expert to request? Speechless and squirmy I was to watch it! I have massive respect for you for lining up there at your event and even ‘HUGER’ respect for you then ‘manifesting’ your $67.00 in 45 mins – nice work ‘universe queen!’:).

I left ERS in a bit of a mind fuzz back then in ‘08. In fact here’s what I journalled whilst at LA airport awaiting my connection back to London: “What was that all about? I just did a 4-day course on a subject I can hardly remember. I feel like I’ve had a bombardment of information …. and the penny has still to drop”. I then go on – like a good positive outcomes coach – to define my dream, my abilities to bring body, mind, heart and soul into alignment and the areas that require attention for that to occur – more ‘being’, more trust, more … high net worth clients!!!

I had my largest grossing 3 months ever on my return from ERS. Then … my business went down (what?? that’s not what I’m supposed to be manifesting!!!). I had to leave London, my home and friends of 8 years, take my daughter out of school, move back to my parents. REALLY!!

I’m smiling as I write this because (not one to give up lightly) i THEN hired ANOTHER guru coach from the internet – Russell Brunson – who guaranteed that his program ($8,000) would have me automating my learning programs to my clients in under a year, generating passive income and giving me ‘the freedom you’ve always dreamed of’. After that year (of investing a further $20K in my business systems and support), I’d generated … eh $0.00. And I negotiated MORE time with DotComSecrets.com (because that’s all I could get from Russell’s organisation – they were NOT returning my money and NOT ‘giving up on me’ (uh, I jest not). They gave me a ‘free additional year’ to make back my $8K (oh, the irony! It’s like getting a free voucher for an expensive restaurant you’ve just been food poisoned in!).

After 3 more months of their coaching I was still S-T-U-C-K! I hadn’t the resources to get the 8K back and was tired of the investment of time where each week I became more and more disillusioned – so we parted ways.

So, why am I sharing this on your blog, Kashionia. Here’s why … I’m an intelligent, aware, smart, intuitive entrepreneur. I’ve run a 6-figure coaching practice on a 4-day week for years (just not this last 18 months!!!). I’m also a single mum. I want to be able to live a life with my daughter that has increasingly greater choices and greater freedom as we move forward.

I’ll get there. I’ve started over entirely with my coaching practice – re-branding, building it up from scratch, integrating my new, deeper relationship with Source.

Here’s what the experienced, wiser me now knows:
* I want a life with greater choices and freedom. Everyone does. And smart marketeers know that I want that. So they’ll supply a version of providing that for me, whether it’s through teaching me a success blueprint, a manifesting experience or an internet programs strategy.
* there’s no such thing as ‘get-rich-quick’ business strategies. Business is about tapping into your SOUL passion, working from that place (and ONLY you know it) and growing yourself as you grow your success. It can happen speedily for some, but go inside for that pace, work hard and with focus and always, always get up and try again. Your dream IS worth it and the world needs what you’re here for.
* the answers for success as you dream it lie INSIDE you. We ARE all infinite, eternal, universal so with some great self-development practices you can ask your higher-self to guide you towards your next steps
* There ARE great teachers out there … seek them out with wisdom, open mindedness and higher-self guidance. (And it’s okay to pick a few dodgy ones along the way – there are positives from EVERY experience.)
* Most successful internet marketeers are marketing what? … they’re marketing, marketing!! So they’re making millions using marketing techniques (their expertise) to market to me, to teach me how to market to MY clients.
* I’ve seen frustrated coaches, psychologists, designers, healers at these seminars – the ones who make the biggest money in the end are the ones who teach their clients how to market whilst teaching their skill alongside (so a reiki teacher might tell her clients … ‘I’ll teach you how to tap into your spiritual self … and run a more successful life and business (using reiki … AND internet and email marketing techniques to support that). Does that make sense?

I KNOW myself more profoundly, and deeply now than I ever have. I’m a better person for having invested in myself (above are just a few of the more questionable investments).

I’d personally commit to remain sincere, trusting and love-centered in my choice of what teaching I invest in next (whether a book, a coach, a group or a program). It’s forgiveness, acceptance and love (and a bit of this here blogging too!!!!) that make the difference in the long run. BE the change I want to see.

Bless you precious Kashonia,
Jennifer
x

I have come to believe that I was “sent” to Experience the Reality of Success so that I could write the blog and help others.

Sharing your stories about your inner guidance is also helping many others too.
Thank you
Love
Kashonia

I am perfectly guided. I experienced Ali’s pitches about David, got onto David’s list, like so many I LOVED the Art of Success and was ready to go to an ERS (it might have ended up being the same one you went to) BUT I was stopped. Why? I had no reason – but my inner guidance, my inner higher connection stopped me from going forward. Same with events offered by James Ray. My personality/ego self was all ready to go … but again, an unseen force and knowing stopped me – like a giant hand held out to stop my forward progress. The same occurred with all of Ali’s events.

I have finally come to recognize that NONE of these people can offer me what I can’t find within. Everything I need is within, the ability, the courage, the self worth, ALL comes from within me and does not have to be handed to me or “taught” to me by some guru or person outside of me. This is the same for EVERY one.

You are correct, ERS is no more. I am on David’s email list and the last ERS was held (I forgot when). It was promoted as the last chance to experience this powerful breakthrough event, the final ERS. Once again, my thoughts jumped to going, once again the big inner hand stopped me cold.

After reading your blog I am even more grateful for this inner wisdom, intuitive guidance and protective connection. It guides me and leads me well.

Thank you for sharing your experience and your observations so responsibly – those without their “big inner hand” activated need to hear of these experiences so that they can then choose with knowledge which way they want to proceed.

Many blessings and Thank you for all you do!

~Amy~

I’ve thought a lot about these programs and the high priced coaching programs. (I did one with another coach – not quite so high priced, but it didn’t really deliver what I was looking for – and I wrote what that was on the “application”. I didn’t even try to get my money back…the gist was that it was the client’s fault if the client didn’t succeed…and I can see that to a degree – but a lot of these coaching programs don’t seem to have accountability for the coach.)

I was a teacher and found this mindset disturbing…there should be responsibility on both ends.

I’ve got several friends who have done programs with these coaches – and all they got was debt and confusion.

The proteges David has turned out seem to have businesses that hinge on charging 6 figures. I, too, wondered where the ethics are in all of this…I’m embarassed that I got caught up in the seminar “thing” a few years ago – I thought that’s what I needed to do to be successful. I have learned a lot of good things, and seen a lot I wouldn’t want to replicate.

I have hired wonderful coaches, but all of this made me question the entire industry of coaching, but I believe we each experience things so we can help others with that information like you have done here.

Again, thanks for sharing.

“Do you feel you have stretched to the max? You never seem to have enough time, money or fun in your business? Maybe you feel you are doing a million and one things, but never seem to finish a thing. Or perhaps you want to break that 7-figure or 8-figure barrier, but can’t seem to figure out how.

Does this sound familiar?

“We Know What You’re Going Through
– We’ve Been There.” ~ Jen Blackert, aka Attraction Diva

Three years ago I launch my first life coaching practice that I started because I wanted and needed FREEDOM from the executive corporate grind. I mean, I had suffered for 13+ years in corporate America and I knew I could make it on my own. ”

AND YET in the podcast interview with David Neagle she says her father was very wealthy, she’s always had money, she works around 5-6 HOURS a week, so what was the ‘corporate grind’ she ‘escaped’ from? Her website, all the ‘We know what you’re going through because we’ve been there’ rings extremely false. Or is it just me?

Also, all these lifecoaches teach is how to make money by being a lifecoach. There’s no end result, they don’t teach you how to build a real business where you make something, or provide a real service. When they talk about 7 figure businesses they mean teaching people to be like them. Exponentially everyone on earth could become one. Years ago I lived in the far east and they were shipping in cheap labour from other countries because everyone wanted to be a lawyer – no one wanted to work in manufacturing, or building roads etc.

Thank you so much for your post on David Neagle. I am new to his work, the Art of Success. I googled him, and found your blog. I read all the post.
You have saved me the money, time and trouble of getting involved any futher.

I will take what I have learned with Art of Success; but, I will not purchase any more of his materials, or attend any of his events. We all have the answers inside of us.

Keep up the good work.
Cheers,
Pat

I still find it hard to believe that so many people promoting a spiritual and loving message can get the whole deal so wrong.

Love
Kashonia

Part of your post was picked up by another blog who compared ERS to a workshop in India. They tell their students to beg to lose their ego. Here’s the link:

http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2009/08/sri-sri-rips-off-rip-off.html

Thanks for posting this.

Amy

And the weak, like a couple of the people that I mentioned in my post, are people that David Neagle certainly never mentions and they are totally destroyed both emotionally and financially.

I found it most interesting to hear you mention his association with Ali Brown.

It was due to Ali’s amazingly high praises of Neagle and Experience the Reailty of Success that I got involved.

All of her early work and products were quite impressive. However, she too has some very high end coaching products. …

I’d love you to write to me personally at < support[at]kashoniatoday.com > just replace the [at] with @. And I’d love to hear more of why you included Alexandria Brown’s name in your comment. There had to be a reason.

Bye for now
love
Kashonia